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**shahid nazeer** · #1 09-24-2008, 08:48 AM

Should not you think about this?

**smumair10** · #2 09-25-2008, 02:47 PM

JazakAllah Khair..

**shahid nazeer** · #3 09-26-2008, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahmed67

Masha Allah bhai ap ne jo Taqleed ki series chalai hoi hai ye to bohat hi zabar dast aur umdah hai koi jawab nahee ap ki tehqeeq ka aur aap ke ilm ka Allah Subhan Wa Taala ham sab ko is per amal karene ki tofeeq ata farmai Ameen Ya Rabbal Alameen

Ahmed Bhai Allah Aap ko hifz-o-Aman main rakhai. Mujhai Aap ki hosla afzai ki zarorat rahti hai. Jazak Allah

navaid_khan · #4 09-28-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shahid nazeer

Should not you think about this?

Salam,
Bhai Shahid Nazeer, ya jo app nay Ahadees sharif pesh kari hain jis mai ya batya gaya hai kay takeeld karna drust nahi, bilkul bhai app nay baja farmaya magar app ko shaid ya ilam nahi hai kay really DEEN mai kise ke takleed jaiz nahi, han magar masail mai takleed karnay he paray ge, agar app blain tu sabit kar don? INSHALLAH mai iss ko sabit karon ga, aor app say ya kis nay bola dia kay Mukaladin jo hain wo DEEN mai takleed kartay hain? zara iss ka answer bhi dayna app please, mai app kay jawab ka muntazir hon INSHALLAH phir baat hoge zara khul kar masla-e-takleed per. aor idhar mai sirf itna batana chata hon kay app ghair mukaladin bhi takleed kartay hain....abb sawal ya peda hota hai kasay tu iss ka answer juld donga, magar app log inkar kar kay takleed kartay hain jo kay munfkat kay siwa kuch nahi. app kay jawab ka muntazir hon mai,

Jazak ALLAH khair,

Navaid Khan.

navaid_khan · #5 09-28-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahmed67

Assalam Alikum:
Masha Allah Navid bhai ka aitiraz sun ker acha laga ham to kehte hein ke koi aitiraz kare aur hamare ander ager koi galat bat hai jo Quran aur Sunnah ke khilaf hai to ham agle din ke sooraj nikalne se pehle us cheez ko apne ander se khatam ker dein ge insha Allah

Ap Ka Jawab
Bhai jan ne kaha ke " really DEEN mai kise ke takleed jaiz nahi, han magar masail mai takleed karnay he paray ge, agar app blain tu sabit kar don" mein in se ye pochna chaho ga ke DEEN kis ko keh rahay hein hein ye? aur Masail kis ko keh rahay hein? DEEN mein Quran ki her ayat ko le ker Masla ho sakta hai ke us ka matlab samaj nahi aa raha mager Hadees jab ham parhte hein to wo Masla door ho jata hai masla masla nahi rehta balke ek hal mil jata hai
Maslan
"Phir Pani Na Pao To Mitti Se Tayyammum Kar Lo Pass Massah Karo Apne Mu Aur Apne Hathon Ka"
[Soorah Al Nisa Ayat Number 43]

Hazrat Ammar Razi Allah Anhu Se Marwi Hai Ke Mein Halat e Safar Mein Janbi Ho Gaya Aur Pani Na Milne Ki Waja Se Mitti Mein Loot Poot Hone Laga, Phir Mein Ne Namaz Parhi Aur Wapas Aa Kar Rasool Allah Sallallaho Alehi Wassallam Se Waqya Bayan Kia To Ap Salllaho Alehi Wassallam Ne Farmaya
"Tujhe Is Tarah Hi Kafi Tha" Phir Ap Ne Apni Hathelio Ko Zameen Par Ek Bar Mara Aur In Mein Phonk Mari Phir In Ke Sath Apne Mu Aur Hathelion Ka Massah Kia.
[Sahi Bukhari: 334 Sahi Muslim 368]

Janab se mein ye pochna chaho ga ke kia Sahabi Hazrat Ammar Razi Allah Anhu ke samne us waqt ye Masla nahi tha? jab wo mitti mein loot poot ho rahay the? Kia wo pareshan nahi the? ke mein kis tarah tayammum karon? kia ye ek Masla nahi tha? phir Allah ke Nabi Janab Mohammad Sallallaho Alehi Wassallam ne Hazrat e Ammar Razi Allah Anhu ko bataya ke Tayammum kis tarah kia jata hai

Nateeja
To mere pyare bhai nateeja ye malom howa ke Tayammum jo lazmi karna hai ager pani nahee to Mitti se lazmi tayammum karna hai. Agar ye nahi kia to namaz kaisay parho ge? ye bhee to DEEN hai ....hai ke nahee? ab koi insan ager ye kahe ke Deen me Taqleed nahi aur Masail me Taqleed hai to phir siwai us ke liye Dua ke aur kuch nahee ker sakte ke ya Allah us ko Hidayat de kion ki mein ap se ye saboot mangta hon jo ap mujhe kabhi nahi la ker de sakte ager mujhe la ker de dein to mein bhee Taqleed kerna shuru ker don ga

Sawal mera ye hai jis ka jawab ap ne dena hai .........kia Allah ke nabi Sallalaho Alehi Wasallam ya Allah ne kahi bhee kaha ho ke Deen me kisi doosre Ki Baat ko ankh band ker ke bila daleel qabool ker lo ye Ayat ya Hadees pesh karein ? ager ye ap mujhe la ker de dein to mein Taqleed kerna shuru ker don ga asal mein ap nahi la sakte kion ki khud ap ke Ulama ka ye Aqeeda hai ke Taqleed ankh band ker ke Bila Daleel apne Imam ka qoul ko qabool ker lene ka naam hai ager Daleel Mange ga to Taqleed se kharij ho gaya Insha Allah ager ap apne Ulama ka ye bayan mange ge to zaroor ham pesh kare ge

Aimma e Arba
Chararon Imaamo ne.....Janab Imam Abu Hanifa Rehmatullah Aleh....Imam Malik Rehmatullah Aleh.....Imam Shafi Rehmatullah Aleh aur Imam Ahmad Bin Hambal Rematullah Aleh in charon ne kabhi nahee kaha ke hamari ya kisi aur ki Taqleed karo na hi Masaail me aur na hi Deen me kisi cheez me bhee Taqleed ka kaha ho to saboot laao kion ki Quran kehta hai
"In Se Kaho Ke Ager Tum Sachay Ho To Koi Daleel To Pesh Karo"
[Sorah Al Baqarah Ayat Number 111]

AASLAM WAALKUM WR WB,
Meray payray bahi ya jasa kay mai pehalay he araz kar chukka hon kay DEEN kay jo AKAID hain un mai takleed really un mai kise ke takleed jaiz nahi hai ya baat mai nay pehlay bhi baat de thi aor again baata raha hon magar FARAOIE masail mai takleed karna he paray ge, ya mai app ko bad mai sabit kar donga filhal mai app ko ya baatna chaata hon kay kin masail mai takleed ke jaati hai aor kin mai nahi…mulahiza ho

Takleed sharie mai kuch tafsil hai…Sharie masail 3 terhan kay hotay hain (1) AAKAID (2) wo ahkam jo sarhatan QURAN pak ya HADIS sharif say sabit hon IJTIHAD ko inn mai dakhal na ho (3) wo ahkam jo QURAN aor HADIS pak say Istinbat wa ijtihad kar kay niklay jayin….
AAKAID mai kise ke takleed jaiz nahi hai Tafseer ROOH AL BAYAN akhire SORAH ….agar koie hum say pochay kay TOHEED wa RISALAT wagera tum nay kasay mani tu ya nahi kahaa jaya ga kay IMAM ABU HANIFA kay farmanay say ya FIQAH AKBAR say balkay ya kahaa jaya ga kay DALAIL TOHEED wa RISALAT say kioun kay AAKAID mai kise ke takleed nahi hoti…. Dekho mukadma SHAMI BEHAS TAKLEED AL-MUFDOOL MAA AL-AFZAL mai hai.
Jin ka atakad rakhtay hain faroie masail kay alawa kay jin ka atakad rakhna har maklaf per bagair kise kay takleed wajib hai wo AAKAID wo he hain jin per AHLESUNNAT hain…
Ya baat wazaha ho gayi hoge app ko kay hum AAKAID mai kise ke takleed nahi kartay han magar jin masail mai QURAN aor HADIS say SARHATAN koie masla aasa ho jo kay samjh nahi aay us mai takleed kartay hain…. Aor aasay ek nahi kafi saray masail hain right?

Aor agar takleed nahi ke jaay tu har insane kay paas itna kasir ilam hoga kay wo IJTIHAD karnay ke koowat rakhta ho. Kia app kay pas itna ilam hai kay app haar maslay mai jo kay QURAN aor HADIS say na milay app us maslay mai IJTIHAD Kar kay masla nikal lain?
Kia app ko QURAN aor AHADIS per mukmal aboor hasil hai?
Kia app ko QURAN ke taamat AAYAT MUBARKA kay NASIKH aor MANSOOKH ka ilam hai?
Kia app ko sari SAHIE AHADIS azbar yaad hain? Mera app say ya sawal hai last kay app ko maloom hai kay AHDIS SAHIE ke tareef kia hai?
Agar ya sub ilam app mai mojood hai tu kia har ghair mukaild mai ya ilam mojood hoga?
Ya app sub log IJTIHAD kar saktay hain?
Mera ek aor question ya hai kay MOHADISIN IKRAM nay AHADIS likhen aor app aor hum us ko maanatay hain magar kioun? Jub kay wo bhi UMATI thay aor insane thaay…aor mazay ke baat ya kay us zamanay mai hum na thaay na hamaray baap dada thaay magar phir bhi hum mantay hain tu kia ya takleed nahi hoie?
Kia inn tamam masail mai app apnay ulma ke takleed nahi kartay? Ya ya sub masail app ko pehlay say maloom hain? Questions tu aor bhi bohat hain magar abhi filhal inn ka answer dain.…phir hum takleed kay wajib honay kay dalail bhi INSHALLAH QURAN aor HADIS say dain gay…..

jazak ALLAH.

**shahid nazeer** · #6 09-30-2008, 09:39 AM

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navaid_khan · #7 10-01-2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahmed67

Navid Kahan Ki Galat Bayani
Sab se pehle to mein sab bhaiyon se ye guzarish kerna chaho ga ke navid bhai ki pehli post ko dekhein us mein unho ne kia likha hai

"really DEEN mai kise ke takleed jaiz nahi, han magar masail mai takleed karnay he paray ge, agar app blain tu sabit kar don"

Ab janab ne apni next post me apna bayan apni statement hi change ker di ab kehte hein

"Meray payray bahi ya jasa kay mai pehalay he araz kar chukka hon kay DEEN kay jo AKAID hain un mai takleed really un mai kise ke takleed jaiz nahi hai ya baat mai nay pehlay bhi baat de thi aor again baata raha hon magar FARAOIE masail mai takleed karna he paray ge"

Yeto haal hai in ka chalo ager samaj dar hon ge to khud hi dil hi dil me samaj jaein ge aur Allah se meri dua hai ke kam se kam DIL mein hi in ke ye baat ajai ke Allah se sachi hidayat talab karne ki koshish to karein ye chalo ab in ki agli statement ka jawab dene ki koshish karta hon

Navid Khan
Takleed sharie mai kuch tafsil hai…Sharie masail 3 terhan kay hotay hain (1) AAKAID (2) wo ahkam jo sarhatan QURAN pak ya HADIS sharif say sabit hon IJTIHAD ko inn mai dakhal na ho (3) wo ahkam jo QURAN aor HADIS pak say Istinbat wa ijtihad kar kay niklay jayin….

Jawab
Acha zara is Hadees ka to jawab do

"Jis shaks ne namaz mein soorah Al Fatiha nahi parhi is ki namaz nahi
[Sahi Bukhari # 756 - Sahi Muslim # 394]

Jab ke is me Hadees mojood hai aur wo bhee sahi hadees Bukhari aur Muslim ki to janab ab aap is sloved shuda hal ko follow kion nahee kerte? ap apne emaam ko kion follow kerte hein is masle per? ap ne to kaha tha khud ke un maslo per taqleed ki jati hai jo Quran aur Hadees me nahee hote phir ab ye masla to Hadees se sabit ho gaya aur aap Soorah Al Fatiha Imam ke pechay nahee parhte chahe johri namaz ho ya sirli namaz abhi to mein aur batein khool khool ker bayan karon ga janab mager mein chahta hon ke aap ko shuru se bataon ab aap is ka jawab dein pehle sawalo ka to ap ne jawab na dia ab is ka to dena pare ga chalein ab dein thanks

AASALAM WAALAKUM WR WB,

BHAI UMEED HAI APP KHAIRYET SYA HONGAY, MERAY PAYRAY BHAI MAI DILA OR JAAN SAY TASLEEM KARTAHON KAY TYPINY MAI MUJH SAY MISATKE HOIE HAI KAY MAI NAY DEEN KAY AAKAID KE JUGHA SIRF DEEN LIKHA BARHAL INSAN HON GALTI HO GAYI MAGAR YA SIRF TYPING MISTAKE THI, APP NAY BOLA KAY JEE DIL MAI SHARMINDA HONGAY TU MERAY BHAI MAI TU APP KAY SAMNAY BALKAY SUB KAY SAMNAY APNI GALTI TASLEEM KAR RAHA HON, AOR APNI GALTI KHULAY DIL SAY TASLEEM KARTA HON, AOR APNI GALTI TASLEEM KAR LAYNA HAMESHA ACHA HOTA HAI, HUM IDHAR APNI ISLAH KAY LIAY BETHAY HAIN MAGAR LAGTA HAI MERAY BHAI APP IDHA HAAR JEET KA MUKABLA CHALA RAHAY HAIN, KHAIR AGAR APP AASAY HE KUSH HOTAY HAIN TU KOIE BAAT NAHI, BAYSHAK ALLAH DILON KAY HAAL JAANTA HAI, AOR PHIR BHI AGAR APP MUJHAY TANZ AOR MAZAK KA NISHANA BAANA NA CHAYEN TU KOIE MASLA NAHI…..JAZAK ALLAH

ABB AATAY HAIN MOZO KE TARAF, MERAY FAZIL BHAI MAI APP KAY QUESTIONS KA ANSWER JULD DONGA INSHALLAH EID KAY FORAN BAAD MUKAMAL HAWALON KA SATH, AOR YA PAKA WADA ZINDAGI REH GAYI TU TAKLEED WAJIB HONAY KAY BHI DALAIL DONGA, AOR APP KE SORAH-E-FATIH WALI BAAT KA BHI TAFSIL SAY ANSWER DONGA KAY IMAM KAY PECHAY KIOUN NAHI PARHI JAATI AOR INSHALLAH QURAN AOR HADIS SAY, ISS WAQT MAI LIBRARY NAHI JA SAKTA DUE TU EID & SOME SOME PROBLEMS, AFTER EID INSHALLAH MAI APP KO DONGA MUKAMAL ANSWER MAI NAY APP KAY ATRAZA NOTE KAR LIAY HAIN…UMEED HAI WAQT DAIN GAY, JAZAK ALLAH.

ISS WAQT SIRF ITNA BOLN GA KAY HAMARA MAKSAD HAAR MASLAY PER TAKLEED NAHI HAI JO MASLA QURAN AOR HADIS SAY LAYNA MUSHIKL HO SIRF US MAI HE TAKLEED KE JAATI HAI AOR MERAY BHAI YAKNAN 100 MASLAY AASAY HAIN JIN KO EK AAM INSN QURAN AOR HADIS SAY NAHI LAY SAKTA AGAR AASA HO JAAY TU WO MUJTAHID HOGA RIGHT? AOR APP KA YA KEHNA KAY JEE HUM QURAN AOR HADIS KO CHOR KAR SIRF IMAM KE TAKLEED KARTAY HAIN HAAR MASLAY MAI YA BILKUL GALAT HAI.
MERAY PAYRAY BHAI MAI APP KO BAATA HON, KAY HAMARAY YAHAN YANI AHNAF KAY HAN SUB SAY PEHLAY QURAN PAK KO DEKHA JAATA HAI, AGAR MASLA QURAN PAK MAI MIL JAAY TU ALHAMDOLILLAH, WARNA HADIS-E-RASOOL PAK…… MAI DEKHA JAATA HAI AGAR MIL JAAY TU TIKH WARNA IJMA MAI DEKHTAY HAIN, AGAR IJMA MAI BHI NA MILAY TU PHIR FIQAH YANI KIAS SHARIE SAY MASLA HUL KIA JAATA HAI, FIQAH KA NUMPER TU 4TH HAI, HAMARAY YAHAN AGAR HADIS ZAEEF HO TUB BHI TARJHEEH HADIS HE KO HOGE, KIAS KO NAHI RIGHT MERAY BHAI?
AOR AGAR APP HUR MASLA QURAN AOR HADIS SAY LAYNAY KA DAWA KARTAY HAIN TU PIR NICHAY DIAY GAAY QUESTION KA ANSWER QURAN AOR SAHIE HADIS SAY FARMA DAIN INAYET HOGE. AOR AGAR NAHI MILTAY YA MASLAY QURAN AOR SAHIE HADIS PAK SAY TU PHIR APP KO KASAY PAATA CHALAY YA BHI BAATA DAIN?

ABB ZARA MERA BHI KUCH QUESTIONS HAIN, BARHAL APP HUM SAY ZADHA ILAM RAKHTAY HAIN TU PLZ KINDLY MUJHAY JULDI INN NECHAY DIAY GAAY QUESTIONS KAY ANSWER DAIN PLZ, YA JO APP NAY MUJH SAY KHASI HADISON KA DAWA KAR DIA HAI TU PHIR TU YAKENAN APP BHI APNA HAR MASLA QURAN AOR HADIS SAY HE LAYTAY HONGAY RIGHT? TU MERAY BHAI MAI QUESTIONS SEND KAR RAHA HON APP INN KA ANSWER BHI QURAN PAK SAY AOR SAHIE, SARIH, MARFOO HADIS SAY PESH KARIN JULD AZ JULD.

(NOTE: APNA DAWA YAAD RAKHNA QURAN AOR HADIS PER CHALNAY WALA, AOR AGAR YA NECHAY DIAY GAAY SAWAL HADIS PAK SAY SABIT NAHI HAIN TU PHIR MAI YA POCHTA HON KAY APP NAY YA MASLAY KIDHAR SAY LIAY? JUB KAY APP KA DAWA SIRF QURAN AOR HADIS PER CHALNAY WALA HAI. JIS MAI TAKLEED YA KIAS KE KOIE GUNGISH NAHI….)

APP KAY NAZDEEK TAKLEED KE TAREEF YA HAI KAY KISE BHI UMATI KE BAAT KO BAY DALIL MAAN LAYNA YA TAKLEED HAI AOR YA SHIRK HAI RIGHT? TU ZARA YA TAREEF JO APP KARTAY HAIN KISE SAHI HADIS MAI DIKHA DAIN…?

ACHA JANAB YA JO APP NAMAZ MAI SEENAY PER HAAT BANDH TAY HAIN YA BHI ZARA KISE SAHI, SARIH, MARFOO HADIS SAY DIKHA DAIN…?

KIA NABI PAK

NAY NAMAZ WITER MAI BAAD AZ RAKO AAM DUA KE TERHAN HAAT UTHA KAY DUA MANGI HAI? YA APP

NAY ISS KA HUKUM DIA HAI….?

KIA NABI KARIM NAMAZ JANAZA KE TAMAM TAKBEERAT MAI RAFA YADIN KARNAY KA HUKUM FARMATAY THAAY? YA APP NAY KHOD NAMAZ JANAZA KE TAMAM TAKBEERON MAI RAFA YADIN FARMAYA HAI? ZARA SAHIE, SARIH MARFOO HADIS PESH KARIN?

HAZOOR PAK NAY APNAY KIS SAHBI KE NAMAZ JANAZA GHAIBNA PARHIE THI?

SIRF EK SAHI, SARIH, MARFOO HADIS PESH KARIN KAY KAY NAMAZ JANAZA MAI IMAM DUAIN BULAND AWAZ SAY PARHAY AOR MUKTADI SIRF AAMIN AAMIN PUKARAIN?

EK SAHIE, SARIH, MARFOO HAIDS PESH KARIN KAY NAMAZ WITER MAI IMAM DUA-E-KANOOT BULAND AWAZ SAY PARHAY AOR MUKTADI SIRF AAMIN AAMIN BOLAIN?

EK SAHI, SARIH, MARFOO HADIS PESH KARIN KAY NABI PAK NAY WAFAT TAK RAFA YADIN INDIAL WA BADAL RUKO KIA HO?

EK SAHI HADIS PESH KARIN KAY KAPRA HOTAY HOWAY NANGAY SAR NAMAZ PARHNAY KA HUMKUM HADIS MAI HO? JUB KAY MAI NAY DEKHA HAI KHASI TADAD MAI GHAIR MUKALADIN NANGAY SAR NAMAZ PARTHAY HAIN. EK 10 RUPESS WALI TOPI NAHI LAYTAY AASA KIDHAR HUKUM HAI?

EK HADIS PESH KARIN KAY NAMAZ MAI IMAM TU TAKBEER-E-TEHREEMA TAIZ (ONCHI) AWAZ MAI BOLTA HAI AOR MUKTADI SLOW AWAZ MAI AKHIR KIOUN? KIDHAR HAI ISS KA HUKUM?

NAMAZ MAI IMAM SLOW AWAZ MAI SANA PARTA HAI AOR MUKTADI BHI SLOW AWAZ MAI PARTA HAI KIDHAR LIKHA HAI? KIS HADIS SAY SABIT HAI?

JASA KAY MAI PEHLAY EK IKRAR KAR CHUKA HON KAY MERAY FAZIL BHAI APP KA ILAM BARHAL MUJH SAY ZADHA HAI TU PLEASE MARI ISLAH KAR DAIN, MERAY BHAI MAI BAR BAR YA BAAT KARTA HOWA AARHA HON KAY AGAR YA MASLAY QURAN AOR SAHIE HADIS SAY SABIT NAHI HO SAKTAY TU PHIR APP KA WO DAWA KAY SIRF QURAN AOR HADIS PER AMAL KARTAY HAIN APP WO KIDHAR GAAYA? AOR PHIR YA MASLAY KAKNAN YA MASLAY APP NAY APNAY ULMA SAY LIAY HONGAY TU BAHAR HAL TAKLEED TU PHIR IDHAR BHI WAJIB HO JAATI HAI, Y APHIR KHOD BA ZARIA IJTIHAD SAY NIKLAY HONGAY KIOUN?

navaid_khan · #8 10-03-2008, 11:49 PM

AASALAM WAALAKUM WR WB,
i hope bhai kay app khairyet say hon gay. mai app kay reply ka wait kar raha hon.......barhal meray questions app jasa ilam rakhnay walay kay liay koie bohat bara issue nahi hain, lehaza apnay kimti time mai say kuch time nikal kar mujhay kindly reply karain takay mujhay kuch sekhnay ka moqa milay,
JAZAK ALLAH,

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