Urdu Poetry Forum

SHOAIB MUGHAL · #11 09-06-2007, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abbi1602

Mashllah bohat hi umda ayat share ki jiss main saaf saaf bataya giya hay kay Nabi SAW ghaib ka ilm jo unhe ata kiya giya hay batanay main koi kami nahin kertay ........... sab jantay hain kay Allah poori kainaat ki her posheeda cheez say waqif hay aur uss nay Nabioun ko kai baton say agaah kiya aur jo jo bataya giya ussi had tak ilm un kay pass raha .............
agar aap iss ayyat ko apnay matlab nikal ker iss bata ka proof chah rahay hain kay hazoor SAW ko her baat her guzray hoyi baat her aanay wali baat jo kay Allah nay poosheeda bhi rakhi ho tou ..............aap nay Quran ki nafi ker di ..............
1 - Quran nay hazra aisha ki gawahi di .................... .... kuon sirf Allah ko sach baat maloom thi ...........
2 - Quran nay aay Nabi SAW jo tum say qimayat kay baray main poochtay hain keh do kay uss ka ilm tou sirf Allah kay paas hay ..........
3 - hazoor SAW apnay chacha Abu Talib ko akhree waqt tak eman qabool kernay ki koshish kertay rahay
4 - Quran nay Nabi SAW ko baqi nabioun kay baray main bataya ...............

i think this is enough .

MUJHE SIRF IS AYAT KA TARJAMAH APP KER DIJIYE
OR KUCH NAHIN CHAHIYE
DOODH KA DOODH OR PAANI KA PANI HO JAEGA

SHOAIB AKHTER MUGHAL

кσσℓ gυу · #12 09-06-2007, 05:57 PM

well nice work itni saari ahadeees 1st time akathe perhnai ko milin

**Irfan** · #13 09-07-2007, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHOAIB MUGHAL

JANAB HANDSOM SAHAB

ASSALMUALAIKUM

UMMEED KERTA HOON KE AAP KHAIRIYAT SE HONGE
AWWAL TO YEH KE SAWAL TO SAWAL HOTA HAI, PHIR YEH DISCUSSION CORNER HAI JAB HUM IDHAR UDHAR KI FAZOOL BATON PER DISCUSSION KERTE HAIN TO, HUM IS WAQT NA NAFA SOCHTE HAIN OR NA HI NUQSAAN
YEH TO KNOWLEGE MEN IZAFA KERNE KE LIYE CORNER HAI IS ME TO KUCH BHI DISCUSS HO SAKTA HAI, OR SPECIALY EK MUSALMAAN HONE KE NAATAY HUM DEEN KE SAMAJH BOOJH BHI HONI CHAHIYE ..........

IS KI ZAROORAT IS LIYE PESH AAI KE KUCH NAAM NIHAD MUSALMAAN JO KHUD KO MUSALMAAN KEHTE HAIN, MAGAR MAGAR AQAAID MUNAFIQON WALE RAKHTE HAIN JESE " HUZOOR KO APNE ANJAAM KI KHABR NAHI"
OR "HUZOOR KO DEEWAR KE PEECHE KA ILM NAHIN"
"HUZOOR KA ILM PAGLON, JANWARON, JESA KAHA GAYA"
(NAAUZUBILLAH MIN ZAALIK)

JO TUMHEN JANNAT OR DOZAKH KE BAARE ME BATATA RAHA, JO TUMHEN ALLAH KE BAARE MEN BATATA RAHA US KO DEEWAR KE PEECHE KA ILM NAHIN ??????

HUZOOR KA ILM GHAIB MAANNE WAALE PER SHIRK KE FATWA LAGA LAGA KER THAKTE NAHIN ........

ILM-E-GHAIB JAB QURAN-SABIT KIYA GAYA TO PHIR SHIRK KA FATWA DENE WAALE KEHNE LAGE KE KUCH ILM DIYA !!!!!!

IN KE APNE FATWA KE MUTABIQ AGAR INHI KI IS BAAT KO MAAN LIYA JAE KE KUCH ILM DIYA, TO BHAI SHIR THORA HO YA ZIYADAH SHIRK TO SHIRK HOTA HAI
IS TARHA YEH APNE HI FATWA KI ZAM ME AAGAE......

JUB QURAAN-O-HADEES SE SABIT HAI TO BAAT KHATAM HO JAATI HAI .....

TO BHAI YEH ZAROORAT PESH AII MUJHE IS BAAT KO IS FORUM PER PESH KERNE KI

WESE TO BE SHUMAR DALAIL PESH KER SAKTA HOON MAGAR QURAAN KE HAR AYAT "NAS-E-QATAI" HAI IS KO NAA MAANTE WALA ULAMA KE MUTABIQ KAAFIR HO JATA HAI.....

MUSALMANO KA AQQEEDAH

ALLAH (SWT) KA ILM UNLIMITED "ZAATI"
HUZOOR (PBUH) LA ILM LIMITED "ATAI" (ALLAH KA ATA KIYA HUA"

AGAR PHIR BHI AAP KO KOI ULJHAN HO TO JO AAYAT MEN NE PESH KI, IS KA TARJAMAH OR TAFSEER MUJHE BATA DIJIYE GA

BOHOT MEHERBANI HOGI

SHOAIB AKHTER MUGHAL

waisai main sumjh nahe paya kai App hain kis tarf @};- kafi sare batain karnai kai Baad app nai khud he maan leya kai
ALLAH (SWT) KA ILM UNLIMITED "ZAATI"
HUZOOR (PBUH) LA ILM LIMITED "ATAI" (ALLAH KA ATA KIYA HUA"

yah he to sub kahtai hain per kuch logh is sai inkaar kartai hain or kahtai hain kai App (S.A.W) ka ILM bhe unlimited tha @};- or hum yah kahtai hain kai unlimited ILM Sirf Allah kai pass hai os kai baad kis kai pass kitna ILM hai yah baat bhe Sirf Allah he janta hai

SHOAIB MUGHAL · #14 09-07-2007, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irfan

waisai main sumjh nahe paya kai App hain kis tarf @};- kafi sare batain karnai kai Baad app nai khud he maan leya kai
ALLAH (SWT) KA ILM UNLIMITED "ZAATI"
HUZOOR (PBUH) LA ILM LIMITED "ATAI" (ALLAH KA ATA KIYA HUA"

yah he to sub kahtai hain per kuch logh is sai inkaar kartai hain or kahtai hain kai App (S.A.W) ka ILM bhe unlimited tha @};- or hum yah kahtai hain kai unlimited ILM Sirf Allah kai pass hai os kai baad kis kai pass kitna ILM hai yah baat bhe Sirf Allah he janta hai

IS MAIN MAANNE KI KIYA BAAT HAI HAMRA AQEEDAH HI YEHI HAI

OR AAP KEHTE HAIN HAIN SUB KA YEH AQEEDAH HAI TO AP KI KNOWLEDGE KE LIYE ARZ HAI KE SAB KA AQEEDA YEH NAHI HAI.......

MASLAK-E-DEOBAND OR MASLAK-E-AHLEHADEES
KEHTE HAIN JO NABI KE BAARE MEN YEH AQEEDAH RAKKHE KE HUZOOR (PBUH) KE PAAS ILM-E-GHAIB HAI WO MUSHRIK HAI......

(IS ME BAAT LIMITED YAA UNLIMITED KI HO HI NAHIN RAHI YEH LOG SIRAY SE MAANTE HI NAHIN )

AAP KHUD TEHAQEEQ KER SAKTE HAIN

YAA AGAR CHAHEN TO MAIN AAP KO SUBOOT PESH KER SAKTA HOON

SHOAIB AKHTER MUGHAL

**Aas** · #15 09-07-2007, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHOAIB MUGHAL

IS MAIN MAANNE KI KIYA BAAT HAI HAMRA AQEEDAH HI YEHI HAI

OR AAP KEHTE HAIN HAIN SUB KA YEH AQEEDAH HAI TO AP KI KNOWLEDGE KE LIYE ARZ HAI KE SAB KA AQEEDA YEH NAHI HAI.......

MASLAK-E-DEOBAND OR MASLAK-E-AHLEHADEES
KEHTE HAIN JO NABI KE BAARE MEN YEH AQEEDAH RAKKHE KE HUZOOR (PBUH) KE PAAS ILM-E-GHAIB HAI WO MUSHRIK HAI......

(IS ME BAAT LIMITED YAA UNLIMITED KI HO HI NAHIN RAHI YEH LOG SIRAY SE MAANTE HI NAHIN )

AAP KHUD TEHAQEEQ KER SAKTE HAIN

YAA AGAR CHAHEN TO MAIN AAP KO SUBOOT PESH KER SAKTA HOON

SHOAIB AKHTER MUGHAL

Yaar, aap siref confused hain aur kuch nahin...

First of all, is forum per, yaan keheen per bhi hum firqa wriyet per tubsare nahin ker sekte...u know where it would end up n the ultimate end...

secondly...Ilm-e-Ghaib ki definition per agar ghaur kerain to...aap ko khud ehsaas ho jaye ga ke, Ilm-e-ghaib siref Allah tabarakuhu wa Talah ke paas hai...

simple.

Kehne wale so batain kehain ge...aap common sense bhi use ker sekte hain ...

**Zaib.** · #16 09-07-2007, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHOAIB MUGHAL

IS MAIN MAANNE KI KIYA BAAT HAI HAMRA AQEEDAH HI YEHI HAI

OR AAP KEHTE HAIN HAIN SUB KA YEH AQEEDAH HAI TO AP KI KNOWLEDGE KE LIYE ARZ HAI KE SAB KA AQEEDA YEH NAHI HAI.......

MASLAK-E-DEOBAND OR MASLAK-E-AHLEHADEES
KEHTE HAIN JO NABI KE BAARE MEN YEH AQEEDAH RAKKHE KE HUZOOR (PBUH) KE PAAS ILM-E-GHAIB HAI WO MUSHRIK HAI......

(IS ME BAAT LIMITED YAA UNLIMITED KI HO HI NAHIN RAHI YEH LOG SIRAY SE MAANTE HI NAHIN )

AAP KHUD TEHAQEEQ KER SAKTE HAIN

YAA AGAR CHAHEN TO MAIN AAP KO SUBOOT PESH KER SAKTA HOON

SHOAIB AKHTER MUGHAL

Haan G Agher Sawal Yay Hoga Ky Hazoor Pak Salalho Alaihe Wasalam
Alim-e-ghaib Hain Tou Jawab Na He aa'ay ga Ki U Kay Jitna Sadah Sawal Hy Utna He sadah Jawab Hy (woo kahawat tou suni hogi na jaisa mu waise chapair)
aap loog sawal munasib kerain jawab Alhamdulilah yay he millay ga
ALLAH (SWT) KA ILM UNLIMITED "ZAATI"
HUZOOR (PBUH) LA ILM LIMITED "ATAI" (ALLAH KA ATA KIYA HUA"

**handsome** · #17 09-08-2007, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHOAIB MUGHAL

JANAB HANDSOM SAHAB

ASSALMUALAIKUM

UMMEED KERTA HOON KE AAP KHAIRIYAT SE HONGE
AWWAL TO YEH KE SAWAL TO SAWAL HOTA HAI, PHIR YEH DISCUSSION CORNER HAI JAB HUM IDHAR UDHAR KI FAZOOL BATON PER DISCUSSION KERTE HAIN TO, HUM IS WAQT NA NAFA SOCHTE HAIN OR NA HI NUQSAAN
YEH TO KNOWLEGE MEN IZAFA KERNE KE LIYE CORNER HAI IS ME TO KUCH BHI DISCUSS HO SAKTA HAI, OR SPECIALY EK MUSALMAAN HONE KE NAATAY HUM DEEN KE SAMAJH BOOJH BHI HONI CHAHIYE ..........

IS KI ZAROORAT IS LIYE PESH AAI KE KUCH NAAM NIHAD MUSALMAAN JO KHUD KO MUSALMAAN KEHTE HAIN, MAGAR MAGAR AQAAID MUNAFIQON WALE RAKHTE HAIN JESE " HUZOOR KO APNE ANJAAM KI KHABR NAHI"
OR "HUZOOR KO DEEWAR KE PEECHE KA ILM NAHIN"
"HUZOOR KA ILM PAGLON, JANWARON, JESA KAHA GAYA"
(NAAUZUBILLAH MIN ZAALIK)

JO TUMHEN JANNAT OR DOZAKH KE BAARE ME BATATA RAHA, JO TUMHEN ALLAH KE BAARE MEN BATATA RAHA US KO DEEWAR KE PEECHE KA ILM NAHIN ??????

HUZOOR KA ILM GHAIB MAANNE WAALE PER SHIRK KE FATWA LAGA LAGA KER THAKTE NAHIN ........

ILM-E-GHAIB JAB QURAN-SABIT KIYA GAYA TO PHIR SHIRK KA FATWA DENE WAALE KEHNE LAGE KE KUCH ILM DIYA !!!!!!

IN KE APNE FATWA KE MUTABIQ AGAR INHI KI IS BAAT KO MAAN LIYA JAE KE KUCH ILM DIYA, TO BHAI SHIR THORA HO YA ZIYADAH SHIRK TO SHIRK HOTA HAI
IS TARHA YEH APNE HI FATWA KI ZAM ME AAGAE......

JUB QURAAN-O-HADEES SE SABIT HAI TO BAAT KHATAM HO JAATI HAI .....

TO BHAI YEH ZAROORAT PESH AII MUJHE IS BAAT KO IS FORUM PER PESH KERNE KI

WESE TO BE SHUMAR DALAIL PESH KER SAKTA HOON MAGAR QURAAN KE HAR AYAT "NAS-E-QATAI" HAI IS KO NAA MAANTE WALA ULAMA KE MUTABIQ KAAFIR HO JATA HAI.....

MUSALMANO KA AQQEEDAH

ALLAH (SWT) KA ILM UNLIMITED "ZAATI"
HUZOOR (PBUH) LA ILM LIMITED "ATAI" (ALLAH KA ATA KIYA HUA"

AGAR PHIR BHI AAP KO KOI ULJHAN HO TO JO AAYAT MEN NE PESH KI, IS KA TARJAMAH OR TAFSEER MUJHE BATA DIJIYE GA

BOHOT MEHERBANI HOGI

SHOAIB AKHTER MUGHAL

Wasalam
Umeed kerta ho app bhi kheriat say hogay

jaha tak may nay andaza lagaya you are totally confused

any ways. phelay may app ko batana chaho ga kay Ilm-e-Gaib wo ilm hota hay jis ka sirf or sirf Allah ko pata hay. ager Iml-e-Gaib sari dunya ko pata chal jay to Iml-e-Gaib nahi rehta kun kay her aik us ko janta hay.

may manta ho kay Allah nay PBUH ko Ilm-e-Gaib diya per app yeah goor karian kay Ilm-e-Gaib bhi Allah ki hi dain thi asa nahi hova kay PBUH kay paas kahi or say ilm agaya. or dosri baat yeah kay jo Ilm-e-Gaib Allah nay PBUH ko diya wo Ilm PBUH nay Apni ummat ko bataya maslan Qimaat ka manzer Qiamaat kay baad kia hoga ya phir pichlay nabio kay qisay. jo kay sab kuch Quran-o-Hadees may hay yani her koi perh sakta hay is ka matlub to yeah hova kay mughay or app ko bhi Ilm-e-Gaib hay.

Ilm-e-Gaib wo ilm jo Sirf or Sirf Allah ko pata hay yani kis shaks nay kab merna hay kab kiamaat ani hay wegyra wegyra sa ilm jis ka ilm kisi ko bhi nahi PBUH ko bhi nahi. Is liya jab bhi PBUH say Qimaat ya death kay baray may deryaaft kia jata tha to wo sirf or sirf yehai kehtay thay may nahi janta kay moot kab ati hay or yaqeenan Qimaat nazdeeq hi hogi etc

yaha per sab hi theek keh rahay hain lakin humain yeah sochna chahiya kay ILM_E_GAIB kis ko kehtay hain is ilm ko jo Allah nay PBUH ko diya ya phir is ILM ko jis ka ilm abhi tak kisi ko nahi

Khush Rahain
Handsome