Urdu Poetry Forum

**Irfan** · #**101** 09-18-2007, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahid_paki

irfan sb baray ifsos ki baat hi, aap ney kissi hum masla molvi sb ki tashree tou pesh kar di laikan gher matnaza "tafseer kabeer" ka shan-e- nazol parna aur samjhna qawara nah keya

Shan-e-Nazol,

ghazwa bani mustlaq sey wapsi taiz hawa chali ,chopaey bhagey tou Nabi kareem(sallala ale waslam) ney khaber di k madina manawra mein rafey ka intqal ho gaya aur yeh bhe farmaya k dhikho mere Naqa(aunat) kahan hi?

Abd Allah ben abbi manafaq apni qoim sey kaha ennka kesa hal hi madina mein marney wale ki khaber tou dey rahe hein laikan pna Naqa (ount)maloom nein kahan hi, app(sallala ale waslam) ess ki yeh baat bhi makhfi nah rahi, aap(sallala ale waslam) ney farmaya yeh lag aisa aisa kehtey hein, mere Naqa falan ghati mein hi uss ki nakeel darkhat sey uljh gai hi,aap ka naqa wahan paya gaya jahan aap (sallala ale waslam)ney khaber di thi
( Tafseer kabeer)

woh malik haqiqi hi jo koch hi uski atta sey ,yeh kalam barey adb tawza hi mani yeh hein k mein apni zaat sey ghaib nein janta jo janta hon woh ALLAH ki itlaa aur uski atta sey hi

App ki nazar main keya Hazrat Aisha Gair mutanaza nahe hain ?
or tafseer kabeer sai bohut buland hasti hain Hazrat Aisha (R.A) or on ka qoul main phir naqal kar raha hoon dekh lain or parh kar sumjh lain

orah Airaf para number 9 Ayat number 188 main Allah ka irshad hai

kah do kai aghar main gaib janta hota to apna bohut sa faida kar laita or koe nuqasan mujhai na pohanchta ... main to sirf daranai wala aor khush khabari suna nai wala hoon an loghoon ko jo iman laey hain .......

Hadees
Hazrat Aisha (R.A) farmati hain kai jo koe tum sai kahai kai nabi karim (S.A.W) Gaib jantai thai to wo jhota hai (Yah kah kar ose Ayat ki tliwat ki jo oper qoute ki gae hai )

**Zahid_paki** · #**102** 09-18-2007, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahid_paki

keya aap nabi paak (sallala ale waslam )k illam ghaib jo Allah paak ney unne atta keya hi jo "illam ghaib" jo k attai hi nah k zati nein mantey????

mere question ka enn sb ney jawab deiney ki bajaei pher wohi aayaat pesh ki,enno ney yeh aait pesh ki,sorah Airaf para number 9 Ayat number 188 main Allah ka irshad hai,
"
(begher aatey allahi k)ager mein khud ghaib ka illam rekhta tou mein az khud bahot si behlai aur(fatuhat)hasel kar lita,main to sirf daranai wala aor khush khabari suna nai wala hoon an loghoon ko jo iman laey hain"

jo ALLAH paak k zati illam ghaib ki hein aur ess aait mein nabi paak (sallal ale waslam) k illam ghaib jo ALLAH PAAK NEY UNNEY AATA
keya kehein bhe nafi nein hein,

dar aur khushi ki khabrein bhe "amoor ghaib"mein sey hein jin per ALLAH PAAK apney

nabi ko matla farmatein hein,keyon k mi janab Allah aise itla alal ghaib k behger nah tou nabowet aur rasalat mothaqaq hoti hi aur nah yeh fareiza ada ho sakta hi ess leye app (sallala ale waslam) ki shan mein farmaya gaha

Aur yeh Nabi ghaib bataney mein har giz bakheel nein
(al quran altkeer 24 ;81)

ess qurani irshad k matabak ghaib bataney mein bakheel nah hona tab hi mumkan ho sakta hi hi ager Allah paak ney app (sallala ale waslam ) ko illam ghaib per matla

farmaya ho ager serey sey sey illam ghaib atta hi nah key gaya ho tou app (sallala ale waslam ) ka ghaib batan kesa aur pher ess per bakheel nah honey ka keya matlab???

so maloom howa k aap (sallala ale waslam )k matla alal ghaib honey ki nafi nein balkey naffa-0-nuksan pey khud qader malak bilzat illam ghaib honey ki nafi hein,
dosri aait jo enn sb ney pessh ki woh illam ghaib k matalk hi,he nein
yeh sb pata nein keya sabat karna chahtey hein, enn ko nah enn qurani aayat ki smjh aa rahi aur hah hadees mubarka ki,

AQAIDA ILLAM GHAIB PER ALAMA DOCOTOR TAHIR UL QADRI KI BOOK

"AQIDA ILLAM GHAIB" PARE JISS MEIN DOCTOR SB NEY ILLAM GHAIB QURAN

AUR HADEES KI ROSHNI SEY PESH KEYA

irfan sb aap bar bar aik hi question repeat kar rahe enn k jawab dey diya hi

**Irfan** · #**103** 09-18-2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahid_paki

irfan sb aap bar bar aik hi question repeat kar rahe enn k jawab dey diya hi

sorry main kuch nahe janta hoon @};- yah Alfazoon kai hair phair sai kuch ko to Baywakoof bana laitai ho... par sub koi nahe .....

Hadees
Hazrat Aisha (R.A) farmati hain kai jo koe tum sai kahai kai nabi karim (S.A.W) Gaib jantai thai to wo jhota hai (Yah kah kar ose Ayat ki tliwat ki jo oper qoute ki gae hai )

App jis ki tarf ilm-e-gaib ko mansoob kar rahai ho on ki apni tarf sai ios ki tardeed main qoute kar chuka hoon......or os kai qareeb tareen sathioon ki raey bhe qoute kar de..
jis nai Ata keya os ki tarf sai bhe khulai Alfazoon main Ilan qoute kar deya kai siwai Allah kai koe nahe janta ......

Ab manain ya na manain per jo suchai humarai samnai hai os ko hum jhutla nahe saktai hain....

**abbi1602** · #**104** 09-18-2007, 11:14 AM

iss behas maqsad jaan skata hon mein ?

SHOAIB MUGHAL · #**105** 09-18-2007, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handsome

accha per may nay asa sabit kernay ki to qatan koshish nahi ki. may to yeah kehna chah raha ho kay JO kuch Quran may hay wo sab Gaib ka ilm hay or jis nay is Quran ko samgha or Perha us nay bhi Wohi ilm hasil kia jo Allah nay PBUH ko diya. app ainda posts dehan say perhiya ga kun kay may nay aksar dekha hay kay app meri ya kisi or ki post ka kuch or hi matlub nikaal letay hain. you are totaaly confused personality

may app ko pehlay hi bata chuka ho, meray nazdeeq Ilm-e-Gaib wo ilm hay jo Allah nay PBUH ko Wahi kay zariay diya or tamaam wahi Quran hay

Khush Rahian
Aik Masoon Sa Bacha
Handsome

AAP KE AAKHRI JUMLE MEN BAAT COMPLETE HO GAI, EK TARAF APP TOTTALY ILM-E-GHAIB KA INKAAR KERTE HAIN DOOSRI TARAF YEH KEHTE HAIN KE ALLAH NE KI TARAF SE ILM-E-GHAIB HAI ?

CONFUSED KON HAI ???????

OR MEN NE SIRF EK HADEES QOUTE NAHIN KI AAP NE APNE MAQSAD KE LIYE EK HI HADEES KO PAKRA

BAAQI KA JAWAB KON DEGA ????????

OR JAHAN ILM-E-GHIAB KA INKAAR HAI WAHAN ZAATI KA INKAAR ATAI KA NAHIN KAHIN LOG YEH NA SAMAJH BETHEN KE HUZOOR KO SAB KHUD BA KHUD MAALOOM HOTA JAATA HAI IS LIYE YE AYAAT PESH KI JAATI IS LIYE NAHIN KE SIRE ILM-E-GHAIB KA INKAAR HI KER DIYA JAAE WERNA ALLAH QURAAN MEN NA FARMATA KE

(MAFHOOM)
ALLAH APNE PASANDEEDAH RASOOLON KO CHUN LETA HAI JIN KO CHAHTA ILM-E-GHAIB ATA FARMATA HAI

SECONDLY: YEH NABI GHAIB BATANE MEN BAKHEEL NAHIN

YEH KAHAN LIKHA HAI KE HUZOOR NE YEH FARMAYA HO KE MEN YAHAN KHARA HOON TO POOCH LO BAAD MEN POOCHA TO MEN KUCH NAHIN BATA SAKOONGA

KYA IS WAAQAE KE BAAD HUZOOR (PBUH) NE KUCH NAHIN BATAYA ?

BAAT TO AAP MAAN GAE KE HUZOOR KO ILME GHAIB HAI

BAAT HUZOOR (PBUH) KE ILM KI HUI IS PER AAP NE KAHA

App nay behaad khoob likha pata nahi loogo ko yeah kun samagh nahi ata kay Wahi hi ilm-e-Gaib hay jis say sirf PBUH nahi balkay her wo shaks waqif hay jo Quran perhta or samaghta hay.

YEH AAP NE HI LIKHA HAI AGAR MEN KUCH APNI TARAF SE LIKHA HO TO BATA DIJIYE GA ......

MEN TO BOHO TO GHOR SE PARHA HAI AAP PERH LIJIYE TO SAMAJH AA JAAE GA

sirf PBUH nahi balkay her wo shaks waqif hay jo Quran perhta or samaghta hay

JI TO KIYA KEHTE HAIN IS BAARE MAIN ??????

OR PICHLI PESH KERDAH AHADEES KE BAARE MEN MEN NE KOI EK HADEES TO PESH NAHIN KI

OR UN LOGON KE AQEEDAH JO PESH KIYE UN KE BAARE MEN ?????

SHOAIB AKHTER MUGHAL

**handsome** · #**106** 09-19-2007, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abbi1602

iss behas maqsad jaan skata hon mein ?

PHD .........

**handsome** · #**107** 09-19-2007, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHOAIB MUGHAL

AAP KE AAKHRI JUMLE MEN BAAT COMPLETE HO GAI, EK TARAF APP TOTTALY ILM-E-GHAIB KA INKAAR KERTE HAIN DOOSRI TARAF YEH KEHTE HAIN KE ALLAH NE KI TARAF SE ILM-E-GHAIB HAI ?

CONFUSED KON HAI ???????

Mughay to is baat say hi herani horahi hay kay app dosro ki kahi hoi baato ka najanay kia matlub nikaal letay hain. may nay sirf Itna kaha kay Jo kuch Quran may hay wo Ilm-e-Gaib hay or Quran ka sara Ilm Allah nay Bhijwaya PBUH tak. jisay PBUH nay Apni umat tak pohanchaya ager app is ilm ko hi Ilm-e-Gaib keh rahay ahin to zara sochain kia yeah ilm-e-Gaib her us insaan ko nahi pata jo Quran perhta or samaghta hay ?

Quote:

OR MEN NE SIRF EK HADEES QOUTE NAHIN KI AAP NE APNE MAQSAD KE LIYE EK HI HADEES KO PAKRA

BAAQI KA JAWAB KON DEGA ????????

Jis insaan ki hadees bhi galat ho to app us per ainda kesay yaqeen ker saktay ahin kay wo dosri aha dees sahi qoute ker raha hay. kia app may itna honsla hay kay ap asy banday ki, ki hoi ahaseed per imaan la sakain jis ki shorowaat hi aik namukamal hadees say?

Quote:

OR JAHAN ILM-E-GHIAB KA INKAAR HAI WAHAN ZAATI KA INKAAR ATAI KA NAHIN KAHIN LOG YEH NA SAMAJH BETHEN KE HUZOOR KO SAB KHUD BA KHUD MAALOOM HOTA JAATA HAI IS LIYE YE AYAAT PESH KI JAATI IS LIYE NAHIN KE SIRE ILM-E-GHAIB KA INKAAR HI KER DIYA JAAE WERNA ALLAH QURAAN MEN NA FARMATA KE

(MAFHOOM)
ALLAH APNE PASANDEEDAH RASOOLON KO CHUN LETA HAI JIN KO CHAHTA ILM-E-GHAIB ATA FARMATA HAI

Dekh lain is baat per to app bhi yaqeen ker rahay ahin kay sirf Pasandeedah Rasoolon ko Apna ilm diya (jisay app Ilm-e-Gaib keh rahay hain). Yeah ilm kis shakal may diya Quran, Torait, Anjeer, Zaboor ki shakal may ilm diya.

Quote:

SECONDLY: YEH NABI GHAIB BATANE MEN BAKHEEL NAHIN

YEH KAHAN LIKHA HAI KE HUZOOR NE YEH FARMAYA HO KE MEN YAHAN KHARA HOON TO POOCH LO BAAD MEN POOCHA TO MEN KUCH NAHIN BATA SAKOONGA

Jaha App Quran ki is ayaat per imaan latay hain to on tamaam ayaat per bhi Imaan lain jis may PBUH nay saaf lazfo main irshaad fermaya

Surah Araaf 188: Ay nabi app logo say keh di jiya Ager may gaib janta to apnay liya her qisaam ki bhalai jama ker leta our mughay kisi kisam ki koi takleef na hoti
Surah Inaam 59: Our gaib ki kunjiya sirf Allah kay hi paas hain jin ko Allah kay siwa koi nahi janta
Surah Inaam 50: Main Gaib nahi janta
Or isi terha kai ayaat hay.

Quote:

KYA IS WAAQAE KE BAAD HUZOOR (PBUH) NE KUCH NAHIN BATAYA ?

BAAT TO AAP MAAN GAE KE HUZOOR KO ILME GHAIB HAI

BAAT HUZOOR (PBUH) KE ILM KI HUI IS PER AAP NE KAHA

App nay behaad khoob likha pata nahi loogo ko yeah kun samagh nahi ata kay Wahi hi ilm-e-Gaib hay jis say sirf PBUH nahi balkay her wo shaks waqif hay jo Quran perhta or samaghta hay.

YEH AAP NE HI LIKHA HAI AGAR MEN KUCH APNI TARAF SE LIKHA HO TO BATA DIJIYE GA ......

MEN TO BOHO TO GHOR SE PARHA HAI AAP PERH LIJIYE TO SAMAJH AA JAAE GA

sirf PBUH nahi balkay her wo shaks waqif hay jo Quran perhta or samaghta hay

JI TO KIYA KEHTE HAIN IS BAARE MAIN ??????

May is baray may wohi kehta ho jo phelay keh chuka ho kay Ager Ilm-e-Gaib Quran majeed hay to Ilm-e-Gaib say her wo insaan waqif hay JO Quran perhta or samaghta hay. is baat may galat hi kia hay ?

Quote:

OR PICHLI PESH KERDAH AHADEES KE BAARE MEN MEN NE KOI EK HADEES TO PESH NAHIN KI

OR UN LOGON KE AQEEDAH JO PESH KIYE UN KE BAARE MEN ?????

SHOAIB AKHTER MUGHAL

Is ka kia matlub hova app kin logo kay aqeeday kay baat ker rahay hain?

or akhir may sirf itna kaho ga kay mughay is baat ki abh itak samagh nahi ai kay app is qisaam kay bay maqsaad thread start ker kay kis kisaam kay ilm ko faroog dena chah rahay hain

khush Rahain
Aik Masoom sa Bacha
HANDSOME

Urdu Poetry Forum

Ilm-e-ghaib

Ilm-e-ghaib