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**Inam** · #51 08-02-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mukhshif

yaani Rasool Allah salallaho alayhe wasalam ki 72 Ahadees ke muqablay mai Ibn Hajar ki kahi gayi eik baat ki ehmiyat ziyada samjhi jaye?

aap ki is baat pe dil kerta he k aik noha likhon ... dil ko rohon ya piton jigar ko mein...yaani jo baat ki lajawab ki. Ibn e hajar ki tanqeed hadith ki authenticity per he. itna to aap k ilm mein hoga k hadith se istambat kerne se pehle us ko perkha jata he, pir us hadith ko apne istadlaal ki buneyad banaya jata he. Zara socheye k Mufti shafi sahab ko ye zarurat keon peysh aai k un rawayaat k hawale se Ibn e hajar ki raye per tanqeed kerte...is leye bhaii sahab k is k baghyr wo un rawayaat ko daleel nahein bana sakte the. aor unhon ne to khud bohat se rawayaat k bare mein aehtaraf kia he k ye mohaddeseen k nazdeek zaheef hein.
is leye bhaii sahab ulama ki baton per aankhein band ker k nahein gir perte, kuch apni aqal bhi istemaal kerna chaheye, wo bhi allah hi ki ata kerta nehmat he.

**abbi1602** · #52 08-02-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mukhshif

Asalam-o-Alaikum

jab mai music suna kerta tha tou or koi kaam hi na tha, apni poori salary isi eik kaam ki nazar ker diya kerta tha, cassettes goya dross se ubal rahi hoti theen, lekin yeh nahi ke eik ghalat kaam ko kabhi yeh soch ker kya tha ke yeh sahi hai, janta tha ke mai ghalat ker raha hoon.
phir Allah ka kerna aisa hua ke mai Jihad se wabasta ho gaya, or Alhamdolilah mai eik fazool aadat se chuthkara panay mai kamiyaab hua.
bas kehnay ka maqsad sirf itna hai ke jo ghalat hai us ko ghalat hi kaha jaye, Islam mai jadidiat ke naam per yeh log her na-jayiz cheez ko jayiz qarar dene per tulay hain, aisi aisi behas chirh chuki hain ke khouf aata hai ke kaheen hum is qisam ki behas mai haq per hotay hoye bhi gunahgaar na ho rahe hon. ke aisi besabab behas mai hissa hi kyu liya, lekin bas yeh soch ker hissa lena par jata hai ke Secularism ke alamberdaar Islami libada orhay fitno ke perchaar mai masroof-e-amal hain..

Bohat achi baat ki ...........

asal main baat yeh hay kay ham nay deen ko bohat mushkil tassawar kiya hoya hay aur deeni baat per aisae amal kertay hain jaise zabardasti ker rahay hon ya logon kay dar say ..................Ji ss din ham nay Allah say darna aur Allah per bharosa kerna seekh liya hamara dil sirf aur sirf deen main hi lagay ga .............

**Mukhshif** · #53 08-02-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Inam

aap ki is baat pe dil kerta he k aik noha likhon ... dil ko rohon ya piton jigar ko mein...yaani jo baat ki lajawab ki.

aisa mai ne jaan boojh ke kya, ta ke aap ko bhi meri kefiyat ka andaza ho, jis ki wajah aaj Quran-o-Hadees ki nit nayi tashreehat hain, jo humay eik bilkul mutazaad simt le jana chah rahi hain, woh kuch jo 1400 saal mai na hua, hum ab woh kuch Khud sakhta Deen ke dayiray mai rehtay hoye kerna chah rahe hain, chahay us ke liye humay Ahadees ko jhutlana paray, Zayeef qarar dena paray ya apni man-pasand Qurani Ayaat ke siwa baaqi sab ke baray mai kehna paray ke jee yeh tou Sirf ussi Dor ke liye naazil hoyi theen. afsosnaak boht afsosnaak hai, aisi aqalmandi se tou hum be-aqal hi bhalay, aisay sahib-e-ilm se tou hum jahil hi bhalay. humay apni pasand ka Islam follow nahi kerna, humay Rasool Allah salallaho alyhe wasalam ka laya hua Allah ki Pasand ka Islam (Quran-o-Hadees) ko follow kerna hai.

**Mukhshif** · #54 08-02-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Inam

is leye bhaii sahab ulama ki baton per aankhein band ker k nahein gir perte, kuch apni aqal bhi istemaal kerna chaheye, wo bhi allah hi ki ata kerta nehmat he.

Ulma ki kisi baat per mai gira nahi hoon, lekin Quran-o-Hadees per ankhain band ker ke Imaan rakhta hoon. Alhamdolilah
ankhain tou un logon ki band hain jo apni marzi ka deen chahtay hain, jinho ne apne nafs ko mabood bana liya hai, woh Quran-o-Hadees se apni marzi ki baatain nikaal letay hain.

**Zaib.** · #55 08-02-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mukhshif

Ulma ki kisi baat per mai gira nahi hoon, lekin Quran-o-Hadees per ankhain band ker ke Imaan rakhta hoon. Alhamdolilah
ankhain tou un logon ki band hain jo apni marzi ka deen chahtay hain, jinho ne apne nafs ko mabood bana liya hai, woh Quran-o-Hadees se apni marzi ki baatain nikaal letay hain.

waisay mujko hairat hy 1400 saal taak kisi ko samjh nahi aa'ee ky mosiqi halaal hy aur sahi hy sab aisay he loog attay rahay jinko itni waziha daleel nahi samjh atte the sahaba Razi Allah Unhum Saay elam hasil kiya unki zidagiyoon ka mutala kiya kisi ny bhi aisa nahi kiya kisi ko bhi samjh nahi aa'ee (siwa'ay she'aaoo ky unkay haaan tou pata nahi kia kia halaal hy ) kamal hy samjh aa'ee bhi tou kissay
Allah Ho Akber
Allah Rahem Keray Ham Sab Per

**duamaq** · #56 08-02-2007, 09:13 PM

Assalam o alykum wr wbkt...

zaib bhai jin ashab aur time ka aap nay zikar kiya tu bhai un loogo ko tu aur koi kaam nahi tha apna ziyada tar time deen ki asahat ..us ko seekhnay aur sekhanay aur tableeg par lagaty thy ALLAH ki taraf say di gayi naimat aqal ka istamal bhi wo deen ki khair khawayi aur muslmanoo ki behtri may istamal karty thy ....aab masha ALLAH hum jaisay loog jin ko aqal ka istamal bahoot ziyada roshan khiyali may karna agaya hay har time ganay bajanay sunay aik dusry say larna tu aap khud sochoo humhari aqal tu phir asy hi taraf taraqi karay ge aur hum ko tu sirf apnay mufaad may jo acha lagay ga usi kay baray may aqal bhi use karain gay ye hi waja hai kay hum un say ziyada aur 1400 saal bad ye saab batain halal aur jaiz qarar day rahay hain .......ALLAH maaf farmaye humhary gunha aur hum ko apni aqal ka sahi istamal karnay ki toofiq day AMEEN

**Inam** · #57 08-03-2007, 02:59 AM

aap hazraat ki batein per k maloom hota he deen bas woe he jis ko aglon ne deen keh dia, ab un ki baat se hat k koe baat kerna deen mein tehreef k muttaradif he. Kheyal rahe k yahi wo raveya he jis ne RAsool ullah saw k chacha ko haq baat tasleem kerne se roke rakha.

**Mukhshif** · #58 08-03-2007, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Inam

aap hazraat ki batein per k maloom hota he deen bas woe he jis ko aglon ne deen keh dia, ab un ki baat se hat k koe baat kerna deen mein tehreef k muttaradif he. Kheyal rahe k yahi wo raveya he jis ne RAsool ullah saw k chacha ko haq baat tasleem kerne se roke rakha.

Asalam-o-Alaikum
Rasool Allah salallaho alayhe wasalam ne quresh ko Allah ki wehdaniyat ke iqrar ki dawat di thi, woh Allah ke bheje hoye Nabi salallaho alayhe wasalam hain, unho ne eik mushrik qoum ko toheed ki dawat di thi, jis ke jawab mai un ki qoum ke ziyada ter afraad khasoosan un ke chacha Abu Talib apne aaba-o-ajdaad ke deen ko chorhnay per tayar na hoye.
aaj hum musalmano ke dermiyaan Rasool Allah salallaho alayhe wasalam ba-nafs-e-nafees khud mojood nahin, lekin un hi ki eik Hadees ke mutabiq Quran or Sunnat mojood hain, hum gunahgaron tak Islam Alhamdolilah apne aslaaf ki koshishon se pohancha hai, mai taqleed ki baat nahi kerta, lekin baat hai dor-e-jadeed mai sir uthatay fitno ki, jin ki paishan goyi bhi Ahadees mai mojood hain.
hum Islam mai kisi nayi cheez ke liye aqli daleel tou us waqt tasleem karain na, jab hum mai ziyada qabil afraad, Deen ka ilm rakhnay walay afraad us ke Quran-o-Hadees se makhooz khayal karain ya Quran-o-Hadees ke mutabiq sahi tasleem ker lain.
yeh nahi ke hum ulmah ki her baat aankh band ker ke maan letay hain, lekin jahan Ulmah ki aksariyat muttafiq ho jaye, wahan Islam ka humay kya hukum hai, kam iz kam mai Ulma ki kaseer ta'adaad ki Quran-o-Hadees per kisi hadh tak ilmi dastaras ko kisi eik shakhs ki mehdood ilm ki bunyaad per aqli daleelon ko foqiyat nahi de sakta.
Allah Rab ul Izzat musalmano mai ittehad-o-ittafaq or deeni feham or samajh boojh ata fermaye....
Amen

**Aas** · #59 08-03-2007, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Inam

aap hazraat ki batein per k maloom hota he deen bas woe he jis ko aglon ne deen keh dia, ab un ki baat se hat k koe baat kerna deen mein tehreef k muttaradif he. Kheyal rahe k yahi wo raveya he jis ne RAsool ullah saw k chacha ko haq baat tasleem kerne se roke rakha.

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aap hazraat ki batein per k maloom hota he deen bas woe he jis ko aglon ne deen keh dia

Buri ajeeb si baat kee hai aap nain....yeh aap jin ko agle pichle keh rehe hain...woh log koi serek se uth ker to nahin aaye they...yehi agle pichle hain jin ko aap 1400/1500 saal ba'd aise ilfaz se mukhatib ker rehe hain...which is a bit strange in itself...

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ab un ki baat se hat k koe baat kerna deen mein tehreef k muttaradif he.

Hmm...Inam yeh aik aur ajeeb si baat aap ki teref se....Jub aisi keyi ahadees hain, aisi keyi Qurani ayaat hain jo qayamt ki nishaniyon main yeh saaf beyaan kerti hain ke, her aane wala daur, guzre huwe daur se bud tur ho ga...aur keyi fitne uthain ge (Kuzzab; yaani jhutlane wale....woh 30 ghude jo na'uzubillah apni jhooti nabuwwat ke da'wedaar honge....aur bhi bohot kuch...)...to aap mujhe yeh butain ke, aaj kel ke is materialistic, secularistic...daur main kiya aap phir aise logon ki baton per kaan dhurain ge...?

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Kheyal rahe k yahi wo raveya he jis ne RAsool ullah saw k chacha ko haq baat tasleem kerne se roke rakha

Main is se pehle ki misaal deta hoon....Huzret Ibrahim (Alaihis salaam) ke walid sahib kee...agar aap ko yaad nahin to is se related tafseer mulahiza fermain.

Khair...Tarekh ka muta'lea, aur us ke saath saath is neye daur se muzayyan Ahadees, aur Quran-e-Pak ki peshungoiyaan, i guess u cannot point any finger unless u have studied all of them deeply enough...and convince your mind, and your heart....unltimately .

Cares.

**Zaib.** · #60 08-03-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Inam

aap hazraat ki batein per k maloom hota he deen bas woe he jis ko aglon ne deen keh dia, ab un ki baat se hat k koe baat kerna deen mein tehreef k muttaradif he. Kheyal rahe k yahi wo raveya he jis ne RAsool ullah saw k chacha ko haq baat tasleem kerne se roke rakha.

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