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**Zaib.** · #41 08-01-2007, 12:20 PM

mairy khiyaal main tou yay bahess fazool hy tamaaam umat ka gana bajany ky baray main ijma hy ky yay haram hy aur 13...1400 saaal iss per ijma raha hy chaaand naaam nihaad islam kay thaikaidaaroo ki waja saay ham iss ko halal kaisay maaanlain

**Irfan** · #42 08-01-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mainna

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mein bhi yahi samaghti hoon hem fitnoon ke door mein rah rahe hein, so yeh jawaaz keh aisa pehle socha bhi nahi ja sakta tha kissi aamer ko memnoon qaraar deine ke liye kafi nahi, yeh to yahood o nasara walli baat lagti he hem ne appne baap dada ko kerte neh sunna na daikha so iss liye neh manne gein. kal ka bachcha shayyed yeh bhi pooche keh Islam mein zana ki ijjazet he keh nahi, aur kiss bunaid peh. So ager hame her masle mein bunaid maloom ho to fitnoon se bachchna mumkin he. Aur her uthne walle sawaal ko khushamdeed kehne ki zarooret neh keh yeh kaha jaye keh yeh aik aur fitna he so iss sawal ko hi neh uthne do.

Irfan ki kawish achchi he mager iss thread mein jo ahadees paish ki gayee hein unn mein do mutazaad batein samne ayeen hein kuch mein ganne bajanne ko bohut bura paish kia gia he aur kuch mein qabool kia gia he.

dekhain shair-o-shaire ki had to humain maloom ho he gae

Instruments ki jahaan tak baat hai to siwai Daf kai kahain is ki ijazat nahe milti hai or daf ki bhe mashroot ijazat hai like shahdi biya but os door main daf kai sath jangi taranai gaey jatai thai jin main Gulat qissam kai Alfaaz nahe howa kartai thai or Ajj kal ki music main poetry ka jo haal hai wo kise sai chupa nahe hai ...

Ab aatai hain on Ahadees per jin main ijazat de gae hai..... Aghar on Ahadees ko dekha jaey to wo Islam kai start kai dinoo ki hai or yah baat sub he jantai hain kai Ahkamat Ahista Ahista aaey hain or jub Madina main mukmal Aik riasat ka qayyam ho gaya to os kai baad ayse koe missal humain nahe milti hai.... or haqiqat ki nazar sai dekha jaey to Sahaba-e-kiram (R.A) sai humain music ki muzamat he milti hai

**Irfan** · #43 08-01-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Inam

Surah Luqman ki jis aayat se istadlaal kia jata he wo bilkul ghalat istadlaal he.
1- Lahwa alhadith se murad khyl tamasha he, jis mein tafreeh ki saari surtein gana bajana se le ker hansi mazagh tak sab chezein shamil hein.
2- Aayat mein is ko 'mutliq' ghalat nahein kaha geya...puri aayat ye he
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le yusilla un sabi lillah k alfaz pe ghor kejeye...yani jo khyl tamasha ko allah ki rah se rokne k leye istemaal kerte hein. Zahir he ye lahwa alhdith ki mumanehat naheinbalke jis maqsad k leye is ko istemaal kia jata tha us ki mumanehat he. Zahir he k jab ye activities ko is maqsad k leye istemaal kia jaaye ga k in k zareye logon ko allah ki rah se roka jaaye to is 'maqsad' ko ghalat kahein ge na k activities ko. Is ki dusari misaal dekheye...Surah Jumma (62:11)
وَإِذَا رَأَوْا تِجَارَةً أَوْ لَهْوًا انفَضُّوا إِلَيْهَا وَتَرَكُوكَ قَائِمًا قُلْ مَا عِندَ اللَّهِ خَيْرٌ مِّنَ اللَّهْوِ وَمِنَ التِّجَارَةِ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الرَّازِقِينَ
yahan Lahwa aor tijara ko aaghata ker dia geya, aor donon ko ghalat kaha geya he, is leye nahein k donon apni zaat mein ghalat hein, balke is leye k loog in chezon ko peghambar ki baat sunane pe tarjeh de rahe the.
Quran ne lahwa chezon ko mutliq haram nahein kaha, han agar in mein mashghuleyat insaan ko ghalat raste mein le jaane lage to pir usse mohtaat ho jana chaheye k insanon ko allah ne duneya mein khyl tamashe k leye nahein bheja.

App jub yah kahtai hain kai gulat istadlaal keya jata hai to is sai AQpp ki keya murad hai ? kiyon kai yah istadlaal humara nahe 10 sahaba-e-kiram (R.A) ka hai or sahaba bhe kon sai Hazrat Abdullah bin masood (R.A), Hazrat Abdullah bin Abbas (R.A) jin ka fatwa App (S.A.W) kai door main chalta tha @};- keya on ka yah istadlaal gulat hai ?

App masha Allah mujh sai zeyada parhai likhai hain App jantai hain kai baz Alfaz Apnai Andar bohut sai Alfazon ko laey hotai hain yani kai mukmal detail bayan karnai ki zarorat nahe hote sirf wo word kah daina kafi hota hai jaisai English ka aik word hai secretary Education Ab is ka Urdu tarjuma kuch or ho ga but Aghar app is ko Apni CV main likhain gai to mutlub kuch or ho ga @};-

Ab Lahwa alhadith sai keya murad hai yah yaqinan App or mujh sai zeyada wo logh jantai hoon gai jo kai App (S.A.W) kai qareeb tar thai @};-

**Inam** · #44 08-02-2007, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Irfan

App jub yah kahtai hain kai gulat istadlaal keya jata hai to is sai AQpp ki keya murad hai ? kiyon kai yah istadlaal humara nahe 10 sahaba-e-kiram (R.A) ka hai or sahaba bhe kon sai Hazrat Abdullah bin masood (R.A), Hazrat Abdullah bin Abbas (R.A) jin ka fatwa App (S.A.W) kai door main chalta tha @};- keya on ka yah istadlaal gulat hai ?

App masha Allah mujh sai zeyada parhai likhai hain App jantai hain kai baz Alfaz Apnai Andar bohut sai Alfazon ko laey hotai hain yani kai mukmal detail bayan karnai ki zarorat nahe hote sirf wo word kah daina kafi hota hai jaisai English ka aik word hai secretary Education Ab is ka Urdu tarjuma kuch or ho ga but Aghar app is ko Apni CV main likhain gai to mutlub kuch or ho ga @};-

Ab Lahwa alhadith sai keya murad hai yah yaqinan App or mujh sai zeyada wo logh jantai hoon gai jo kai App (S.A.W) kai qareeb tar thai @};-

Istadlaal ka matlab he kisi baat ko daleel banana. Jese aap ne mosiqi ki hurmat ko sabit kerne k leye is aayat ko daleel banaya, yaanii is se istadlaal kia. Sahaba se jo baat manqool he wo yahi he k unhon ne lahw alhadith se gana bajana murad lia he. Leykin kia unhon ne is aayat ko mosiqi ki hurmat k leye daleel banaya he, ye baat waze nahein. Mein ne bhi lahw alhadith ka koe aor matlab nahein bataya, unhi k mafhoom ko lia he. Leykin aayat lahw alhadith ko 'mutliq' ghalat nahein qaraar detii, mein ne is ko waze kerne ki koshish ki he. Sura Jumma ki aayt per ghor kejeye, wahan to lahw aor tajirat donon ki takfir ki gaye he, leykin kia us aayat ko samne rakh ker aap tijarat ko ghalat qaraar dein gein ?...zahir he k nahein is leye k wahan aslan tijarat ko ghalat nahein kaha geya, balke us mein had se bher huwe mashghuleyat ko ghalat kaha geya he. Yahi baat lahw baton k leye bhi mani jaaye gii.

**Mukhshif** · #45 08-02-2007, 06:34 AM

Asalam-o-Alaikum
Ahadees mai bilkul wazahat ke sath ganay bajanay ko Haram qarar diya gaya hai, ma-siwaye shadi biya per lerkio ke munasib shayiri walay shadi ke geet ganay ke.

is ke bawajood jo is baat per mussir ho ke mosiqi haram nahi, woh goya ke Hadees ka inkaar ker rahe hain.

Moulana Mufti Muhammad Shafee (r.a.) ne apni kitaab "Islam or Mosiqi" mai taqreeban "32 Ahadees" Mosiqi ke Dalayil-e-Hurmat baab mai or taqreeban "40 Ahadees" mosiqi ke Dalayil-e-Abahat baab mai jama ki hain.

jin logon ke zehno mai yeh ibhaam paida ho gaya hai ke janab Islam mai mosiqi Khudanakhuwasta Halal hai, un ko chahiye ke Mufti-e-Azam Moulana Shafee ki kitaab ko study karain, us mai boht kuch aisa jama kya gaya hai ke aap ke zehno mai mojood taqreeban sab hi sawalon ke jawab inshaAllah aap logon ko mil jayen gay.....

mujhe afsos hai mai us kitaab ke 447 pages yahan share kerne se qasir hoon, lekin please ab is behas ko ussi waqt aagay berhaya jaye, jab behas mai shareek log sab Ahadees ko perh chukay hon, ta ke hum sab mazeed gunahgaar na hon....

JazakAllah

**Inam** · #46 08-02-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mukhshif

Asalam-o-Alaikum
Ahadees mai bilkul wazahat ke sath ganay bajanay ko Haram qarar diya gaya hai, ma-siwaye shadi biya per lerkio ke munasib shayiri walay shadi ke geet ganay ke.

is ke bawajood jo is baat per mussir ho ke mosiqi haram nahi, woh goya ke Hadees ka inkaar ker rahe hain.

Moulana Mufti Muhammad Shafee (r.a.) ne apni kitaab "Islam or Mosiqi" mai taqreeban "32 Ahadees" Mosiqi ke Dalayil-e-Hurmat baab mai or taqreeban "40 Ahadees" mosiqi ke Dalayil-e-Abahat baab mai jama ki hain.

jin logon ke zehno mai yeh ibhaam paida ho gaya hai ke janab Islam mai mosiqi Khudanakhuwasta Halal hai, un ko chahiye ke Mufti-e-Azam Moulana Shafee ki kitaab ko study karain, us mai boht kuch aisa jama kya gaya hai ke aap ke zehno mai mojood taqreeban sab hi sawalon ke jawab inshaAllah aap logon ko mil jayen gay.....

mujhe afsos hai mai us kitaab ke 447 pages yahan share kerne se qasir hoon, lekin please ab is behas ko ussi waqt aagay berhaya jaye, jab behas mai shareek log sab Ahadees ko perh chukay hon, ta ke hum sab mazeed gunahgaar na hon....

JazakAllah

mufti shafi sahab ne jo ahadith mosiqi k hurmat mein beyan kein hein un k saath un ahadith per mohaddeseen ki jarah bhi likh di he, Ibn Hajar k nazdeek aese saari ahadith ahsan k derje ki nahein hein.

**abbi1602** · #47 08-02-2007, 12:24 PM

Soch raha hon kay ham nay deen per itna aboor hasil ker liya kay ub un cheezon ko halal prove ker rahay hain jo arsa draz say haram aur mamnoo qarar pati aayeen hain ............ aaj mosiqi tou kal sharab person kuch aur .................... .... kher her jurm per perda dalnay kay liyay aqal daleel daiti hay takay jurm ka ehass mit jayay ..................
Mosiqi ki roz marra misal daita hon ............ ghar main ham her waqt suntay hain ..........garee main baith-tay hi sab say pehla kaam muzik on .............. chaltay phirtay FM mobile say .............. akailay main gungunatay hain ..............bathro om main singing .................... chahnay walon ko music ka gift ................... Azan ki awaz tak music main dab jati hay ................. hamari masjidon main mosiqi dakhil ho chuki hay mobile kay zariyay yani doran-e-namaz bhi hindi gaanay sun-nay ko miltay hain ................... yani hamara kalma , namaz , quran , sab mosiqi hay .......
Wo zuban jissay Allah ki tareef / shukar biyan kerna chahyay her pal wo kiya kerti hay ??????? wo zuban jiss ka ziyada waqt darood parhnay main kherch hona chahyay wo kiya kerti hay ???????????? wo dil jiss main Quran ka noor ho uss main say kiss saaz ki awaz aati hay .................

agar phir bhi mosiqi halal hay tou achi baat hay ............. kal koi nayoz billah aisa bhi ferma day ga kay qiyamat kay din jiss ko jitnay ganay yaad hon gay wo utna hi ooper arsh tak jayay ga .

**Aas** · #48 08-02-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by abbi1602

Soch raha hon kay ham nay deen per itna aboor hasil ker liya kay ub un cheezon ko halal prove ker rahay hain jo arsa draz say haram aur mamnoo qarar pati aayeen hain ............ aaj mosiqi tou kal sharab person kuch aur .................... .... kher her jurm per perda dalnay kay liyay aqal daleel daiti hay takay jurm ka ehass mit jayay ..................
Mosiqi ki roz marra misal daita hon ............ ghar main ham her waqt suntay hain ..........garee main baith-tay hi sab say pehla kaam muzik on .............. chaltay phirtay FM mobile say .............. akailay main gungunatay hain ..............bathro om main singing .................... chahnay walon ko music ka gift ................... Azan ki awaz tak music main dab jati hay ................. hamari masjidon main mosiqi dakhil ho chuki hay mobile kay zariyay yani doran-e-namaz bhi hindi gaanay sun-nay ko miltay hain ................... yani hamara kalma , namaz , quran , sab mosiqi hay .......
Wo zuban jissay Allah ki tareef / shukar biyan kerna chahyay her pal wo kiya kerti hay ??????? wo zuban jiss ka ziyada waqt darood parhnay main kherch hona chahyay wo kiya kerti hay ???????????? wo dil jiss main Quran ka noor ho uss main say kiss saaz ki awaz aati hay .................

agar phir bhi mosiqi halal hay tou achi baat hay ............. kal koi nayoz billah aisa bhi ferma day ga kay qiyamat kay din jiss ko jitnay ganay yaad hon gay wo utna hi ooper arsh tak jayay ga .

Is terha to mera ser arsh ke nichle hisse se chipka ho ga....agar shak hai to aain...antakshiri ka muqabla ker lete hain..both in english and hindi...

Khair...bhai....jais e aap khud apne quote main beyaan ker chuke hain ke aap ka apna ganon se kitna connection rehta hai...waise bhi aur bhi logon ka hai..bulke aaj kel to shayed 99.99 percent logon ka ho ga...aur agar jis ka nahin ho ga woh deaf ho ga...yaani behra...

Baat siref yehi hai ke, hum jub apne ghuron main, yaan walkman per...yaan kissi aur entertainment ki jugah per gane tunwael ferma rehe hote hain to, humain yukser is ke halal yaan haram hone ka khaam khiyal bhi nahin hota....hum siref sunte hain..gungunate hain....yaan enjoy kerte hain...hai ke nahin...it's a fact....ab agar is ke halal yaan haraam hone ka sawaal hai to...yeh humari apni soch hai...ke hum ise kis hud tuk le ker jate hain...

Beshuk dene wale apne hisaab se apni raye dain ge...kuch Ahadees is ki muzbooti se muzammat kerti nuzur aain gee...jub ke doosri is ke liye thori nurum...aur ye jawaz jaan boojh ker rukha gaya hai...jaise ke firqawariyyet hai...hai ke nahin...ab agar sunni kehe ke shiya ghair muslim hai...yaan shiya kehe ke doosra firqa ghair muslim hai...to baat fasaad bun jaati hai...we all know....so it holds for other things as well..like music.

**Mukhshif** · #49 08-02-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mukhshif

Moulana Mufti Muhammad Shafee (r.a.) ne apni kitaab "Islam or Mosiqi" mai taqreeban "32 Ahadees" Mosiqi ke Dalayil-e-Hurmat baab mai or taqreeban "40 Ahadees" mosiqi ke Dalayil-e-Abahat baab mai jama ki hain.

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Originally Posted by Inam

mufti shafi sahab ne jo ahadith mosiqi k hurmat mein beyan kein hein un k saath un ahadith per mohaddeseen ki jarah bhi likh di he, Ibn Hajar k nazdeek aese saari ahadith ahsan k derje ki nahein hein.

yaani Rasool Allah salallaho alayhe wasalam ki 72 Ahadees ke muqablay mai Ibn Hajar ki kahi gayi eik baat ki ehmiyat ziyada samjhi jaye?

janab mufti Muhammad Shafi sahib ne Ahadees ke sath tehreer kya hai ke konsi Hadees Sahih hai, konsi hasan or konsi zayeef.
isi liye keh raha hoon ke bhai pehle kitaab perh lijiye... ya kam iz kam un Ahadees ko perh lijiye.

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